The sudden announcement that Phil Spencer and Sarah Bond are leaving Xbox has been the biggest piece of news over the last week or so, even overshadowing Sony’s odd decision to shutter Bluepoint. You might recall I speculated about Phil’s departure actually being a shove from Microsoft, and it seems like we now have insider sources saying that’s exactly what happened.

Greg Miller shared the news on the latest episode of the Kinda Funny Games Daily episode. Most of the show was dedicated to discussing the Xbox situation, and during the show Miller revealed some interesting information about Spencer’s retirement as he pushes back on the official narrative that Phil made this decision last year.

Miller flat-out rejects Microsoft’s line that Phil decided to retire last year, calling it a convenient cover story dropped during a rushed Friday news dump. There was no proper handover, no joint podcast send-off, just abrupt emails and radio silence. He describes the day as pure newsroom chaos, with back-channel info backing up the idea that this wasn’t planned at all. According to Miller, the timing also blows up what were meant to be Xbox’s 25th anniversary celebrations, which were expected to prominently feature Spencer and Bond as the public faces — plans that now look completely derailed.

“…And I dont think they know what that vision is. And I think thats the problem where that and I think its because this was not planned,” begins Miller, as the team discusses Xbox’s vision. “I’ve been passed something that again reiterates to me—I’m not going to read it, but like, it reiterates, like, ‘Oh no, this was not planned.‘”

It’s worth mentioning that Miller doesn’t specifically say Spencer was pushed out, but the implication seems clear. Nobody in Xbox knew this was happening.

He doesn’t mention whether the same thing happened with Sarah Bond. Was she also pushed out, or did she decide to leave as soon as she learned Spencer was leaving? After all, she was Spencer’s right hand, so she would normally have been next in the line of succession, so here decision to also leave would be strange. Without Spencer, though, would she have support from within the company.

Personally, I can’t say this is shocking news. In my initial post about the news, I mentioned how odd it was that both Phil Spencer and Sarah Bond decided to leave at the same time. Phil claimed that he had been thinking of retiring for a year, and that might be true, but I don’t think he was planning on retiring just yet. The situations reads like Microsoft giving both a shove out of the door as they continue their rebranding of Xbox as a 3rd-party publisher. But like all high-ups, they were also given the chance to make it seemed like a planned move.